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#69533 In memory of Rudi

Posted by AdDEM on 18 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Gah, what am I supposed to say here? Firstly, I'm so glad this thing is back. It's how I met Dave and, of course, most of you other cunts. Dave is one of only two people who I remember the exact first time I first met them. It was at a Rolling Dog gig and Jaye (of forum past) said 'oh that's rudi'. He had a pony tail and was wearing an awful jacket. He said to me 'oh, you're older than all that lot, that explains your ability to punctuate.'


We soon started hanging out and found we had much more in common than either of us could imagine. In fact we regular still laughed about the fact that we both disagreed on the same things for the same reasons, (Best Public Enemy album - Dave: Nation of Millions, Me: Black Planet; Favourite Beatles Song - Dave: Various, at the last count Baby You're a Rich Man, Me: Various, at last count Here Comes the Sun; Favourite NFL Team - Dave: Green Bay, Me: Chicago etc etc) and that either of us could happily make an argument for the other's choice. We hung out, we drank like champions and we suddenly found ourselves being best friends. From there I was lucky enough to work with him musically as he produced the last couple of DEM records, and also of course, in Arachnotaur, which he joined because he found the idea as hilarious as me but whose album he always claimed was his proudest moment in music - he really fucking loved that album.


I honestly feel like I've lost an arm or something. Dave was (and still is, morbidly) the first name in my phonebook favourites, he's still top of my facebook friends, he was always the first person I'd speak to about literally everything: gigs, sports, stupid ideas we'd had, videos we'd found on YouTube, something stupid someone else had said, somthing we'd seen on tele or whether we were heartbroken or depressed or just fucking drunk. One of my funniest memories, or lack of, was when I was in Hannover for work. I'd recently split up from an ill-fated hilario-relatonship and I'd drunk myself into oblivion by myself. I didn't know where I was and so I called Dave from Germany and he navigated me home using Google Street View. 'Can you see the big fuck off blue building? Yeah? You're going the wrong way, turn around you fucking nob'


I feel honoured to have been so close to the guy, even if it was for a relatively short period of time and he's had a profound effect on how I view the world and how I go through life. I'll always think to myself: What would Dave do? The answer will always be: Here, have some more whiskey. In other news, I look forward to using the phrase 'it's what he would have wanted' to get away with some truly awful shit in the future.

#69530 In memory of Rudi

Posted by armchairanarchist on 17 February 2013 - 07:12 PM

I probably bumped into Dave the first time I ever went to Vurt or Geushky, I'd guess, but the first time I ever got to ask him more than "what've you had?" was when I convinced the person in charge of the News' music section to let me do some interviews with local DJs and promoters. With hindsight (and its inherent fuzziness) I seem to remember said interview taking place in a flat above what must now be the Fox, or some part of that block of buildings. The photographer was sent out separately, and got some shots of Dave and Ian wearing hockey masks; it was explained to me afterwards that these were to avoid the risk of having their stage names attached to their real personas in the eyes of Her Majesty's Dept. of Work & Pensions, or whatever it was called back then.


I scrounged my way around the fringes of the houseparty circuit for years, toting my big heavy bag of tunes that hardly anyone wanted to hear. Dave gave me one of my first slots at some shin-dig on Western Parade after a Geushky (or maybe a Vurt,  don't remember); I suspect it was out of pity, in much the same way you'd give an obviously lost puppy something to eat in the hope that it might get its shit together and find its way home, but he'd speak in support of me in future, introduce me to a lot of odd people, and gradually transitioned from Vaguely Intimidating Guy Who Knows People to Shameful Yet Charming Carcrash Of A Person Who Always Makes A Point Of Saying Hello (Even If It's An Incoherent Mush Of Syllables).


I'm sitting here and doing the maths on my fingers; I must have met Dave back in 94, 95 at the latest. Eighteen years, FFS. Half my damned life. Really brings it home to you how time passes, and how quickly that flame can go out. Dave has always seemed quietly immortal, one of those people who'd always be on hand with interesting news or some sound advice, a gruesome insult or just a scathing opinion on the next Next Big Thing, until long after I was interested in hearing them.


And so much for that.


Writers are supposed to be great at this stuff; effortlessly assembling words into a terse little eulogy that somehow says what everyone wanted to say for themselves, but were somehow unable to say. I don't even know what *I* want to say. I know that part of it is sorrow for Dave, and that part of it -- probably the greater part, if I'm honest -- is sorrow for those of us he's left behind, his friends and family. Grief's a very selfish thing, really, but I think that's how it's supposed to work; it's the living who have to adjust to the absence of the dead, after all. It's a terrible cliché -- and one that usually infuriates me when someone else trots it out, because in most such cases it's so patently untrue -- but I doubt Dave would want us to worry about him. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, were he somehow able to post here in his own memorial thread from beyond the grave, he'd be making the most gloriously off-colour and tasteless jokes of all.


Doesn't stop me wishing I could read them, though.


Shine on, you crazy diamond.

#69487 In memory of Rudi

Posted by abbie on 15 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

I wasn't lucky enough to know Dave as well in real-life as many of you, but I got to know his internet persona fairly well via this forum, Facebook and Twitter. He was always quick with his witty comments and always left me in awe of how well-read he was. It always struck the fear of God in me when I saw he replied to my posts on here as there was always the chance he would shoot your argument down in (very effective) flames. It was always done with warmth and charm though, and never with malice.


As many have said already he was such a warm-hearted man IRL too. Always ready with a hug and a big kiss to make you feel welcome, whatever the situation or how he was feeling. He was a staple at many gigs  I went to too, and it will be very weird to not have him around anymore, pint in hand.


Big love to all of his close friends and family. Take comfort in the fact he was much loved and will be much missed.


Hopefully we will be doing something in his honour at Southsea Fest too, as he was such a massive part of the music scene here we wouldn't be able to not honour his memory.

#69541 In memory of Rudi

Posted by Udy on 19 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

I have been motivated to write something by a blog a friend wrote. It was mainly about that Blade Runner dude but he did add a bit which I presume was referring to Dave. He seemed disgusted that so many people had come out quickly with something to say, seeing it as a race and also didn't like the fact that people were already making jokes and Dave's appearance in photos etc. For me personally I found it totally missed the point however at least had the balls to write how he felt. It reminded me that people grieve in many different ways. For me personally it's jokes, music, get blasted. Anyway, some better words are due...


I met Dave when I started a YTS training scheme at HMV when I was 16/17, he seemed friendly enough but with myself being hugely under confidant we didn't talk much to start with. He was super skinny, entirely bald and had funny round glasses I think. Anyways he bought in the vinyl for the store which I thought was an ace job, I was only into Happy Hardcore and Jungle at the time dance wise which I think garnered a few guffaws but he definitely had the coolest job in the store. That was until he was unceremoniously sacked for buying his own markdowns and after one clueless buyer in between was replaced by myself. Dave continued to come in (as did Ian Void/Gregory) so I made it my mission to keep the techno section well stocked (and gave him most of the free promos I got sent until I developed the taste in techno that remains with me) and we chatted much more now the dynamic had changed. 


In 2000 we both sat on the judging panel at the Band Challenge where the mighty Gone 2 Pot won. I had just met the guys through other gigs and Dave became a fan, something that surprised me because I always had assumed that everybody else thought all punk music with trumpets was childish and stupid. Weaver from the band ended up in a van a few days later with Dave, Matt Tako and some others going to some random techno do. This was the point where I started getting the records out and playing them more as I now had an ally in Weaver when everybody else was still playing Incubus on repeat.


My paths crossed with Dave many times more whether at his night Geushky or at nights that I had become involved in but we certainly weren't friends as such. 4 years ago Spikey Mark called me and asked if I wanted to start a dance night at the Wedge, we were already doing Kiss My Bass but this was to be something a little more low key. Fed up of promoting and everything it entails I thought about it then refused. "Oh that's fine, Dave Hill was interested too, I'll ask him" was the reply. This was enough to make me instantly forget everything I had just said. Doing a night with Dave would be awesome. It was. It obviously turned out that he had been keeping an eye on what I was up to all this time. He was one of the few people to actually respond to the DJ promos I sent out, he played our tracks whenever he could and posted about them in other forums. He also bought a Kiss My Bass T-Shirt. NOBODY bought a Kiss My Bass T-shirt. Except for Dave. And me. He also covered for me countless times when I had made a mockery of myself and couldn't DJ or had been thrown out of my own night. 


Dave made repeated attempts for me to come out more and hang out in a normal social setting, but these kind of advances always scare the shit out of me. I hate just hanging about drinking, or going to pubs or anything that doesn't involve doing something. Unless I'm smashed beyond all recognition already but then what's the point in me being there just so someone can carry me from place to place? 


I am happy to say that our time did come, albeit much more recently. He came to my lazer quest stag night and having moved just round the corner from him I extended an invite the day we moved in. No other fucker turned up and when I text Dave to inform him (but saying he was more than welcome) he replied "you can't get rid of me that easily, I'm on my way round." I started going round to his to help him finish off an EP to put out on my UYN label and we had started writing tracks as a duo also. We obviously got to know each other much better in these sessions where he would drink roughly 3 times as much red wine as me and smoke a baccy pipe whilst back seat producing. 


Dave rudi Saunders Hill has been somebody I have known and looked up to from the age of 16. He was always involved in something I wanted to be involved in myself and eventually did. Despite this he never looked down, always wanted to get involved and always gave his support. I am sure as hell fucking glad I manned the fuck up and had him as an actual friend before it was too late. 


And of course he wouldn't give a fuck about people taking the piss out of how he looked in photos. Durrr.

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#69587 Songs For Rudi

Posted by Callis on 04 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

I don't remember anything but DEM, CTBW and Kiss From a Rose. Drunk.

#69580 Songs For Rudi

Posted by Udy on 26 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

The man said Call Me Maybe by Carly Rae Jepsen was one of the greatest pop songs ever. I'm inclined to agree. 


It's an all out tune and will be played right in between Crass and some stomping techno.

#69578 Songs For Rudi

Posted by armchairanarchist on 26 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

The version of "Just The One" where the Levellers got Joe Strummer in on bar-room piano would be appropriate, but for the fact he loathed 'em. :)

#69565 In memory of Rudi

Posted by Paulie Paul on 23 February 2013 - 09:33 AM

Brilliant and very moving tributes to Dave on this Spurs forum. Dave almost getting banned? Shurely shome mishtake. :)




I'm still at a bit of a loss as to what to say. Last time I saw him he left saliva on my face from a very moist kiss. Bloody weirdo. x

#69551 In memory of Rudi

Posted by Kyle on 19 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

in Arachnotaur, which he joined because he found the idea as hilarious as me but whose album he always claimed was his proudest moment in music - he really fucking loved that album.


Fucking what. 

#69538 Drummer Available

Posted by armchairanarchist on 18 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

I love the fact that the forum was opened for less than 24 hours before someone asked for a drummer. Plus ca change.


Note the influences listed; it's very possible that the poster has been waiting to post for the last ten years or thereabouts.


(Punk: not dead, but really getting on a bit.)

#69537 Drummer Available

Posted by AdDEM on 18 February 2013 - 01:50 PM

I love the fact that the forum was opened for less than 24 hours before someone asked for a drummer. Plus ca change.

#69534 Where's Willy?

Posted by AdDEM on 18 February 2013 - 01:36 PM

All this whilst still tonging chicks in route. Amazing.

#69510 Where's Willy?

Posted by filip on 16 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

It took me about ten minutes to escape the charms of the smiling girl on infinite loop, but now I've read the GW articles I'm wondering, can just anyone have a Guitar World column then?

#69501 Introduce yourself...

Posted by Kyle on 16 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

I'm Kyle, I like steak and I probably don't like any of you on here (until we meet for real. Lulz.)

#69500 Introduce yourself...

Posted by Udy on 16 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

I'll re introduce because why not?

I'm Udy and I run two free net labels as well as DJing and producing/remixing and engineering/helping others finish their ideas into tracks. I also sing sweary songs with an acoustic guitar and occasionally enlist others to help me resurrect one of my appalling bands.

#69498 Where's Willy?

Posted by Jasper on 15 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

The forum's been back for 2 days now, you think he would have posted this blinder by now. Can't believe how catchy the chorus is...


#69497 Official Ben Drew Artwork Thread

Posted by Jasper on 15 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

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The B is silent...

#69496 Official Ben Drew Artwork Thread

Posted by Costanza on 15 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

Bendrew Unchained



#69484 In memory of Rudi

Posted by Jasper on 15 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

Just remembered Rolling Dog's last record is up on Spotify.


Dave managed RD for many years and I think produced the tracks below (correct me if I'm wrong). I have some hazy memories of busing it up to Dublin Castle and Islington with a rabble of other teenagers (in the care of Dave) drinking lots of booze and smoking 20 marlborough lights in one sitting... also one memorable minibus ride where I was introduced to Graham Coxon and the Futureheads on the stereo, Dave was driving and the bus promptly broke down halfway up the M3.